Annoyed With Israeli Strikes, Russia To Invest In Syrian Air Defence: Report

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Annoyed With Israeli Strikes, Russia To Invest In Syrian Air Defence: Report

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Russia is unsatisfied with Israel’s repeated attacks on Syria and is stepping up support for the Syrian Arab Air Defense Forces (SyAADF), a well-informed Russian source told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper on July 24.

The Israeli Air Force carried out two attacks on Syria this week. On July 19, a series of airstrikes hit targets in the northern governorate of Aleppo. On July 21, several airstrikes targeted al-Daba air base in the central governorate of Homs.

Losses were reported after both attacks. Nevertheless, the spokesman for the Russian Reconciliation Center claimed that most Israeli missiles were intercepted by the SyAADF.

The Russian source told Asharq Al-Awsat that the recent statements were related to the talks launched with the US following the first summit between Presidents Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden in June.

“Moscow received a confirmation that Washington does not welcome the continuous Israeli raids, according to the source,” Asharq Al-Awsat source said. “The rhetoric was escalated against any Israeli military action targeting Syria’s sovereignty, and in violation of international resolutions.”

According to the source, Russia has not only toughen up its rhetoric against Israel’s repeated attacks on Syria, but also stepped up its support for the SyAADF.

“The fact that all the launched missiles were destroyed indicates a fundamental change in handling this issue,” the source said, adding that “Israel’s air force has not entered the Syrian airspace and carries out its attacks from neighboring lands, but the attacks are no longer effective because the Syrian anti-aircraft systems have been enhanced, and Moscow provided Damascus with air defense equipment.”

The unnamed source went on to reveal that Russian military advisors had supported SyAADF personnel during the last Israeli attacks.

Russia is apparently trying to set clear rules with Israel, which has been stepping up its attacks on Syria. So far, Israel has failed to achieve any of its declared goals in Syria. Moscow’s pressure will further complicate the situation for Tel Aviv.

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southfrontfan

I would luv to see multiple s 400s in Syria.

DontBelieveEitherPropaganda

I would prefer to SAA S300 being allowed to be used that is already there instead of catching dust..

The Objective

It will not be allowed in Syrian hands because the S300 will be disgraced just like the Pantsir. I’ve learned not to believe the efficacy of a weapons system that is not battle-tested. S300 systems were destroyed in Nargono-Kharabakh by $10,000 munitions.

Last edited 2 months ago by The Objective
Sod Off!

Your brain was destroyed with Erdogans dildo. That’s why you hallucinate and spam delirious garbage.

Lone Ranger

According to Shlomo news network…
In the meantime Isisraeli chair force are hiding behind civilian planes and are avoiding Syrian airspace like the plague…
Ask Azeris and Turks how well their faglet drones faired against Russian SAMs..
They lost 80% of their drones in a week.
You can slurp now your kosher baby blood laced matzoball soup before it gets cold…

Justin

Im all for shooting down Jew Rats, however Russia is allowing this by NOT shooting down such Israeli aircraft (which killed Russians after they used the Russian military plane to hide behind). By not shooting them down or allowing Syria to have such systems, Russia is therefore allowing Israel to attack Syria!
This S300 nonsense has gone on long enough. Either they CAN detect and track the F-35 or they cant. Are they making excuses? Maybe this is more about capabilities rather than red tape and diplomacy! An unbiased thinker SHOULD account for such. A biased thinker will always make an excuse!
Did Iran hold back when shooting down a drone and attacking a US base?
Russia is 100% safe if they shoot down (or allow Syria) to shoot down an F-35. 100%! Nobody will fuck with Russia!
Therefore, i assume they are not capable of tracking and targeting the F-35. Everything else is just noise.

Cromwell

Go all the way back to the Vietnam War,Russia helped the North Vietnamese to build a sophisticated layered air defence system,that cost the Americans hundreds of their planes to be downed,there is no reason on earth why that couldn’t be done in Syria,it just needs the will to do it,also they should help Syria to build a modern airforce with modern aircraft.

Cromwell

Those Israeli thugs need to be engaged in Lebanese airspace.

Scaathor

LOL!! One pederast faggot crying to another…

Séamus Ó Néill

It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

GoldStandard

The IAF lauch their attacks from well within Lebanese airspace. This is really an act of military cowardice.The IAF don’t directly approach the Syrian border or Syrian air defenses. The IAF launch their US supplied stand off missiles from behind flight pathways of scheduled Lebanese commercial air traffic. This is basic tactical action of using civilian aviation as human shields. This means Syrians cannot responsibly fire SAM’s back at aggressor IAF warplanes without endangering civil aviation in Lebanese airspace. In reality, the IAF are too cowardly to directly approach Syrian territory or to directly engage with Syrian SAM air defenses. The IAF cowardly hides behind third party human shields. That is the truth bomb about the IAF ‘successes’.

Tom Welsh

Unless of course some unidentified fighters might be lurking offshore, ready to shoot down the Israelis from the opposite direction…

JaguarPaw

Isn’t that the same tactics, where israeli warplanes hide behind russian transport plane which cause that syrian air defense shoot russian plane down? Only thing that I don’t understand, that there is no response on that kind of behavior…..

Justin

Actually it avoids anti-aircraft fire from 20mm rounds.
Its out of range of the Pantsirs too.
If your mission is to strike your enemy and avoid being killed yourself, then thats called “logic”.
i hate Jews too but your comment is so dumb!

PlanetWaves

Apparently you cannot grasp the broader issue. A credible and powerful military air-force does not hide behind third party human shields (this actively endangers third party civilian aviation carriers and passengers!). That is why the truth behind the IAF tactical doctrine is never reported in MSM, as it entirely undermines their (self professed) credibility as both dominant and professional regional military aviation players.

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Cromwell

If Syria had a state of the art airforce they could engage the Zionist thugs in Lebanese airspace.

Marco Polo

The S-300 is a middle to long range SAM, Pantsir meanwhile is a SHORAD meant only for short to very short ranges.

Kerwas

They are using them already but to a lesser degree effectively for what ever reason. Their was a Time back in 2016-18 in which the Russians had also interconnected their Lakatia and Marine Base AA into this network. It looks like that they dissolve this network for whatever reason and the SAA is alone with their outdated S300 and pant-sir.

This works a bit like Radio astronomy. the more Radars on different frequencies you have the better the resolution of the target you get, combined with far more accurate live tracking data. With all those S300 and 400 combined back then, you could literally lead a dumb clay brick into a mach 2 missile with 99% accuracy.

I guess after the IAF start to attack Syrian AA for that reason they dissolve this network and send the surviving S300 into hiding to protect them again surgical strikes. (Accordinfg to some Ex NVA officer it needs a bit of work and to be stationary to be network connected, bad if you have to move fast to avoid being discovered?) Russia should send 5 full fledged S400 complexes to Syria to end this IAF nonsense once and for all. SAA could buy them afterwards little by little.

Abraham Lincoln

Russia is enhancing its own and Syria’s air defence capabilities sa Israel gives away all USSA secret military capabilities in such useless strikes.

Now Russia and Iran will beef up Syria’s sir defences and its missile offence so Syria can totally destroy the entire Israeli air force in a few hours along with Israel’s entire military and economic infrastructure.

block

Already there, only in Russian hands. The zionist squatters are launching attacks over Lebanese airspace.

Brokenspine66

The Zionist AmeriCunt + Brit War-Criminals + Terrorists have totaly neutralized + destabilized Lebanon with their planed + executed Terrorist Attack on their Port in Beirut and spreading total desinformation propaganda about this [fake]Accident ever since.

The Objective

The Israelis launch their attacks from within the range of S300 radars and missiles. That’s not an excuse not to hit those planes. The S300 can engage multiple targets as far as 300 km away. Is there any Israeli air-launch missile with a 300 km range? The most would be 150 km range missiles. The S300, S400, and probably S500 are all failed projects. These facts will become undeniable when these systems are forced to engage a sophisticated enemy in any prolonged combat operations.
Pantsirs were the MOST modern Russian air defense systems. They were the most formidable against air threats within a short range. They were designed specifically to shoot down drones and as a powerful protector of the S400. They were also the most accurate of all Russian air defense systems.
The failure of the Pantsir against “non-stealth” drones should be an eye-opener to those of you who were propagandized into believing that these systems are the best or even effective.

Last edited 2 months ago by The Objective
Dicksonrp

You must be a zio terrorist jew scumm… You head is full of shit instead of grey matter

The Objective

That was before they battle-tested those flops you call the best air defense systems. Nobody, I repeat, nobody is buying them anymore. Not even the U.A.E will buy pantsirs to replace Haftar’s loses.
Turkey’s purchase of the S400 was largely political. You don’t expect Turkey to stake its airspace’s protection on this failed Russian project. There are just about four S400 batteries for Turkey. These aren’t enough to defend a single town let alone the whole of Turkey.
Those countries you listed are no longer buying Russian air defense systems. It’ll be a long time before any country places an order. Maybe when Russia finally produces an effective air defense system.
In the meantime, I’m curious to see how the Hisar A and Hisar O fares against Russian planes and drones in Libya soon.

Last edited 2 months ago by The Objective
Jim Allen

You beg for it.

The Objective

The above post is not by the “real” “The Objective” so ignore it.

Peter Wallace

So will the Real “The Objective” please stand up .. :-))

The Objective

The above post is not by the “real” “The Objective” so ignore it.

The Objective

The above post is not by the “real” “The Objective” so ignore it.

elelele

Zionist criminals launch them from beyond the Lebanese mountains, which makes them impossible to see for radar, due to a radar horizon.

The Objective

That will only further destroy the market for this system “when” Israel proves beyond reasonable doubt that its a highly vulnerable air defense system.
Russia will not test S400 in Syria even for once against a sophisticated enemy. Because the S400 has failed and Russia doesn’t want this fact publicized. But it will one day.

Rocket man

For someone that have nick objective, you are very biased.

The Objective

Please proof my bias with facts instead of just allegations. I’ll accept any corrections based on facts and stop posting these about Russian air defenses.
Also note that demand for Russian air defense systems have plunged dramatically over the last one year and a half. I read an article that says Russian air defense operators in Syria raised the alarm since 2018 that the S400 may be unreliable against sophisticated air threats.

Lone Ranger

Skip the Shlomo news network propaganda Trollstoy, you are not on CNN… nobody is buying your BS here…
Oy oy…

The Objective

Please proof my bias with facts instead of just allegations. I’ll accept any corrections based on facts and stop posting these about Russian air defenses.
Also note that demand for Russian air defense systems have plunged dramatically over the last one year and a half. I read an article that says Russian air defense operators in Syria raised the alarm since 2018 that the S400 may be unreliable against sophisticated air threats.
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Icarus Tanović

I know you and your name you lying gypsy pig. I know who you are.

Dicksonrp

Sure shit brain behind the gay jew girl guides proficient in killing old men, women and children… Why do u children of lucifer fear Hez so much?

Lone Ranger

Only thing that got destroyed is the reputation of Isisrael.
Oy vey…
Covid vaccine damaged….
Iran stronger than ever…
Greater Israel Project failed…
Greater Khazaria project failed…
Destruction of Syria failed…
Just oy vey…oy oy…

cocacola

“will” and “when” are not facts, Period.

Marco Polo

Too bad Russia refuses to use it against the Israelis, they wouldn’t sell it to Iran either and I don’t think Syria can afford it.

IMHO

I would LUV to see some retaliation.

La Rata

Passing Target Data from the Russian S-400 to Syria SA-11 via data link ??

"Israel" is a terrorist European settler colony

Syria should get some S-500s. Syria will be a testing ground for Russian weapons against zionist NATO weapons and planes.

Nice sentiment but the S-500 has not even gone into serial production for the Russian Armed Forces.

Brokenspine66

But it uses the exact same selection + variations of missiles but their tracking/targetting radar and computer are more sophisticated.

block

Untold number of improvements. S-500 can take down low earth orbit spy satellites.

We would need an expert to fully explain the differences in laymans terms.

Brokenspine66

Specialy range of their radars system and also a AI software, with the satellites at least some rumors floating around but nobody know this exactly, the system is at least capable to hit target in high altitude even hypersonic.

The Objective

That’s bullshit and you know it.

Dicksonrp

No bullshit.. Only pig shit in your brain and mouth.. Zio jew scumm loves it

hmm

you are bullshit and everyone knows it

Lone Ranger

Indeed, we know you are full of it…

The Objective

These are likely assumptions. Until they are tested against real enemy targets, these will remain overhyped specs.
No one is showing any interest to buy the S500. Russia must prove its effectiveness on the battlefield before any country even considers spending billions on it.

blahblah

Russia has no intention to sell S-500 you clueIess retard.

Lone Ranger

Kneejerk salty Shlomo tears detected…
Only baby blood laced matzoball soup and a few more covid jabs can fix you…

squeeth

Why would the Russians give away their secrets to shoot down a few zionist-antisemite aircraft? They need to keep them secret from the Seppoes for as long as possible.

Red Admiral

Less than a month ago the S-500 was rumoured to have been tested at Khmeimim airbase and allegedly lock-on to an F35i. It was hoped that the shite which exploded forth from Captain Shlomo’s Arsehole and nearly choked the dumbfuk would have been enough to curtail this type of Squatter behaviour. Seemingly not. However, memos have been leaked(please excuse the pun), that all Squatter pilots flying by the seat of their pants have since been issues with CHENs(Chemical Encapsulated Nappies), which will not prevent them from shitting thems but will prevent theit scutter from escaping into theit G-suits thus preventing them from choking on their own shite.

The Objective

Russia is yet to test its weapons against a formidable foe in Syria. The only meaningful encounter Russian weapons had was with Turkish drones. And we all know how that turned out for Assad (thousands of soldiers killed or wounded and hundreds of equipment destroyed in less than a week!)
Turkey on the other hand proved its drones are highly effective against sophisticated air defense systems like the Pantsir and S300. That’s what makes the TB2 a hot cake and countries are increasingly showing interest and purchasing it. Soon, countries will start rushing to buy the Hisar.
Hisar “A” and Hisar “O” have been proven effective against small high-speed drones. We’ll soon see these systems shoot down the much celebrated Russian drone that was unveiled as a competitor to the TB2. This will likely happen over the skies of Syria. And when Hisar U comes online, Idlib will be a NO FLY ZONE.

Jim Allen

Russia has no “formidable foe in Syria.”
You are a most pitiful troll.

no, the s-500 is part of the Russian layered air defense network. it’s mainly for low orbit satellites, ICBM/warheads and future drones or planes that may fly at higher altitudes, out of the s400 range and ceiling limit/altitude height of 28-30km, maybe in time of war they would also be used against high value targets like faraway awacs, spy-planes, bombers, EW planes etc..which are also the targets for the long rang s400 missile up to 400km, however at 400 km you are better off using the 500 system. missiles run out of fuel for maneuvering at their range limit making it easier for the enemy to evade, since most air forces train/practice for that.

Why European? Most now come from Russia and the US.

Jews are semitic, not European.

block

The problem has always been Lebanese traitors like hariri who holds three passports. In the south the occupied Golan Heights are use for attacks on the SAA.

The Objective

S300 supposedly covers that range. How come the Russians aren’t passing info to Syrian forces? I think the Russian radars are having difficulty detecting Israeli jets.

Arch Bungle

They are.

And its been effective.

But no system is 100% effective.
As ‘israel’ will discover the day it is on the receiving end of thousands of Syrian missiles.

The Objective

Yeah, I agree with you on that. At least this reply is much better than the nonsense I read allover this forum.

Sod Off!

You “think” Lol that’s a good one, you jihadi turdish terrorist monkeys can’t think, you are not even animals. You absolutely have no idea what you talking about, clueless moron. S-300 certainly does not cover Lebanon from it’s current position, so go join you boyfriends from HTS in hell. They need more gay virgins there.

The Objective

You mean the S300 doesn’t cover any of the targets Israel hit over the years? This is a new one to me. Then why are they in Syria. They should be returned to Russia.
What I’m saying is, Russia can at least warn the SAA that Israeli jets have been detected 300 km away. At least this gives the SAA enough time to vacate any targets or even prepare better for the strike using their S200. That’s it. Simple. But why isn’t Russia doing that? The reason is that the S300 radars fail to detect Israeli jets. You can’t talk your way out of this.

Last edited 2 months ago by The Objective
Lone Ranger

+25shekels…
Dont spend it all at once…

Dave

No, the reason is they have an agreement with the Israelis on that.

The Objective

Oh I see. They have an agreement. They had an agreement that Russia will not tell Assad that the Israelis are coming. Then what the fuck is Russia supposed to be achieving in Syria?
I’ve suspected for long that Putin is confused about Syria. Your comment confirms that suspicion.

Lone Ranger

Not at all.
Its only that Russia contrary to Isisrael respects foreign airspace.

The Objective

Russia respects foreign airspace including the Libyan airspace.

Dave

The effectiveness of Russian air defense systems is indeed debatable, there us little reliable infirmation. Still, your statements seem exaggerated. They appear to have some effectiveness. On the other hand, Russia clearly doesn‘t provide nearly the support they could to Syria. Mostly, they din‘t share intelligence and are obviously mortally afraid of engaging Israeli forces. It is clear that there is an understanding between Russia on one side and Israel+the US on the other not to interfere with each others illegal operations.

The Objective

My statements will not seem exaggerated if you take the time to do some in-depth research.

cocacola

The S300 are highly effective: no Israeli airplanes invade Syrian airspace any more. Outside of Syrian airspace the decision to shoot or not is political.

Chess Master

If anyone thinks Israel has put all of its tech in this strikes and only Russia didn’t, must be naive.

Chess Master

Most likely they secretly negotiated to test next level weapons.

Lone Ranger

Isisrael failed miserably…
Oy gevalt…

cocacola

Yep, they also have tech in the dream form, but they will never use it until it becomes reality, LOL.

erik

Syria is very, very importent in the global agenda. So they are now teasing the Russians on the home front, and on the same time attacking Syria.. The U.S. (cabal) pulled back on the global chessboard, so they are planning something new.. They can not afford to give up. And the clock is ticking…

Arch Bungle

The problem for the US is that there’s nothing new they can plan.

They’ve pretty much tried everything short of WW3.

And WW3 will be the end of them.

farbat

as i said russia would have to do its so simple the zionists are tools and they get used against themselves they are not a sustainable place at all they are going to be gone soon its so obvious how they hit themselves all over the place one has only have to look at it from a broader perspective

Last edited 2 months ago by farbat
The Objective

It’s Iran’s war now.
By the way, I heard Hezbos created a new secret border crossing with Syria – probably in preparation for the civil war that seems inevitable in Lebanon.
Iranian ships are constantly being harassed in the Mediterranean. This is big trouble for the Hezbos because it cuts off Iran from resupplying and re-enforcing theme in the even of a war.

Arch Bungle

“This is big trouble for the Hezbos because it cuts off Iran from resupplying and re-enforcing theme in the even of a war.”

Not at all, you’re dreaming.

It is a rule that the more broken and lawless a region is, the easier the flow of arms by smugglers and parastatal groups is across borders.

Hezbollah has never had it so good.

The chaos in Syria has resulted in a feast of Iranian weapons.

When Syria was still intact under Assad arms flow to Hezbollah was highly restricted.

The longer the joos and their American satraps continued to destabilise Syria, the more Hezbollah will benefit from arms flow, recruiting and training.

Sad to say, Hezbollah has been an accidental beneficiary of the Syrian conflict.

Try a little common sense sometime.

Last edited 2 months ago by Arch Bungle
The Objective

Arch Bungle, I must commend you for the intelligent replies you provide to my comments. It makes me feel you are not just an ordinary commenter, but also deeply involved in the Middle East cold war. I do learn one or two things from you every now and then.
I agree that a destabilized region gives rise to porous borders. However, you must understand that the U.S and Israel also enjoy the same advantages of porous borders as Hezbollah. While Hezbollah can smuggle fighters through footpath border crossings, that can’t be said of missiles and other war machines. There must be a main road for vehicles to pass. This is where Hezbollah is at a great disadvantage. The Americans will bomb every vehicle crossing from Iraq to Syria. They are already watching that border. Similarly, the Israelis will bomb every vehicle moving from Syria into Lebanon. Another great disadvantage for Hezbollah is that it lacks an airforce or formidable air defenses to contest the airspace around the Syria-Lebanon border. This will allow Israel to operate in a very permissive airspace – unless Russia decides to come to Hezbollah’s rescue (highly unlikely considering the costs).
The Mediterranean is even more dangerous for both Iran and Hezbollah. The Lebanese army currently relies entirely on Western and Gulf paychecks to remain intact. That’s just how bad the economic crisis in Lebanon is. America is supplying free naval ships for the Lebanese armed forces and has also increased its military aid over the past few years. Iran tried to establish a presence in the Mediterranean, but Iran’s navy is no match for the combined might of the U.S, French, and Israeli navies. We can expect a naval blockade worse than that of Yemen once a civil war starts.

Iran has only two cards it can play right now:
1) Negotiate a nuclear deal and use the money obtained from sanctions relief to ease the economic burden of the Lebanese military.
2) Increase pressure on Saudi Arabia through the Houthis

We’ll see how things turn out in the end.

Arch Bungle

I have some skin in this game …

Dave

As much as the sea powers wish for civil war in Lebanon, I doubt there will be one. In military terms, Hezbollah is simply too strong. Now that will not stop the international finance elite from causing problems in Lebanon and stirring up trouble. Add to that, that L‘s political „elites“ are thoroughly corrupt. Without Israeli intervention noone will dare take on Hezbollah… and I itself is unwilling for reasons well known. I don‘t know where H stands on weapons but I very much suspect that they have a few surprises up their sleeves.

The Objective

Sunni rebels kicked Hezbollah’s ass in Syria until Russia had to save them.
What you say about no one daring to take on Hezbollah is applicable ONLY to the Lebanese population. Even that is far from certain.
You must understand that the GCC states will be the ones to ship fighters and weapons into Lebanon through the Israeli border. Please look at the map and think why the U.S suddenly signed a defense pact with Jordan. Smuggling these fighters into Israel through Jordan will be no problem at all.

Last edited 2 months ago by The Objective
Tommy Jensen

Next time Israel do it, Russia will reconsider the delivery of the S-300 to Assad. If Israel do it again.

noZioP1gs

Yeah right LoL

The Objective

you guys don’t get it. The S300, S400, are all failed systems. They can’t cope with today’s aerial threats. Russia cannot risk disgracing these multi-billion dollar systems by engaging Israeli jets in Syria. This is what you have to understand and admit. Even Russian weapons experts have toned down their hype about the S300, S400, Pantsir, etc.
After the encounter with TB2 drones, the U.S and Israel no longer fear Russian air defense systems.

blahblah

Moron, you are failed. Retarded troll repeating retarded nonsense while hiding behind stolen nicks.

Lone Ranger

You spelled Patriot and Iron dome wrong tho…

The Objective

F16 isn’t a modern aerial threat. Besides, the S200 only scored one or two hits against hundreds of airstrikes by Israeli forces over the past three years. That’s a bad performance ratio.
Modern aerial threats refers to 4.5 and fifth generation fighters, drones, maneuverable cruise and ballistic missiles. Russia still doesn’t have a system that provides even a 30% effectiveness in defending against these threats. TB2 drones are not even stealthy for God’s sake. What if these Russian systems were to encounter stealth drones?

Last edited 2 months ago by The Objective
noZioP1gs

Here we go again. Russian “help” with AAD that never arrives

Cromwell

The Zionist cowards are launching from Lebanese airspace,if Syria had a state of the art airforce they could engaged the bastards over Lebanon.

Last edited 2 months ago by Cromwell
frank g

allot of posters here do not understand the Russian S series SAM systems, layered air defense, other Rus SAM systems as well as that the zio state is well armed especially their air/drone forces. Given their proximity to Syria as well as what they have, they can overwhelm air defenses but at the cost of escalation with Russia. syria needs more pantsir’s and tor2’s, reloaders and more and better trained operators. the s-300’s are there to keep idf out of that part of syrian airspace as well as for defending against multiple cruise missile attacks. IRC, they only have the 150 or 180km max range missiles mixed with lower range missiles, usually a bettery of S systems has a mix of various range missiles in the launchers, those launchers still require protection from tor and pantsir or other CIW systems. Syria could also use more current export versions of Pantsir and tor. also shooting down zio plane over Lebanon will increase chances of Lebanese casualties and/or building damage, which then would be spun by international zio media in order to escalate even further. however where the idf strike from is hard to get any SAM on target, unless those sam’s where in lebanon.

The Objective

You have to answer a few questions for your claims to have any credibility:
1. Was every target Israel hit not protected or at least covered by the S300 radars?
2. Which has a longer range?: Israeli air-launch missiles or S300 radar coverage?
3. Can the Russian not just warn Syria of an approaching air threat long before it’s within range to attack?

Israel launches air attacks from Lebanese airspace – right above Hezbollah’s head and Hezbollah can’t do anything about it. Funny isn’t it?

The Truth

1. No.
2. Depends, it’s not as simple as you think. Geography for example.
3. Almost certainly they do. Yes, IAF usually fire from Lebanon, then use mountains to hide. Matter of minutes if not seconds. Definitely not “long before”.

Hezbollah do not posses any serious air defenses. How’s that “funny”? Turkish AA is actually funny and almost non-existent, that’s why they bought S-400. Still it does not solve all their problems.

You have problem with “credibility” (lack of it). You fail to fundamentally comprehend what air defense systems are or how they function. In short: there are different systems with different purpose. S-300 (or S-400) are not some miraculous systems designed to cover everything and destroy every threat. In addition to radars there are a few launchers, 4 (plus a command vehicle, supply etc). S-300 is the first line of defense, it is a long range strategic system, unlike Pantsirs which have completely different purpose (cheap, tactical almost point defense system). We are talking about one battery here. Yeah it can attack an israeli aircraft, probably destroy it, but Russians won’t do that. Putin and Netanyahu made a deal back in 2016. I remember Israeli generals even promised they wont attack russian aircraft even if they breach Israeli air space. And they didn’t. They tricked Syrians to shot down russian plane. And it wasn’t Netanyahu, it was Lieberman. Of course russian generals were extremely angry so Putin had to do something. And he sent one S-300 as a token force, but in reality its purpose is to coordinate air defense with Syrians and above all to protect Russians, not Syria. I’m sure it is controlled by Russians, not by Syrians. If Israeli again attack Russians by ‘mistake’ then “Syrian” S-300 will attack Israeli aircrafts, not Russians from Khmeimim base. Plausible deniability as CIA like to say, Russians play that game as well. So does Israel.

There is one more thing: Israelis can destroy that one system EASILY. Not because it’s bad, but because they can overwhelm it (they know exactly where it is). As a matter of fact they can probably destroy the entire Russian base. But contrary to your claims, not because russian air systems are not efficient but because there are not enough of them to counter full scale Israeli attack. Israel can launch 100s even 1000s of different missiles and projectiles from air, land, sea… There is no way limited russian defenses can intercept them all. Impossible unless they add more and more systems. And right now Russia need them in – Russia. Also, if Israel destroy russian base, then Putin must destroy Israel. Something that Zionists in Washington DC would never allow, they will defend Israel more than Texas (remember Kissinger back in 1973). Russians are not crazy to start WW3 because IAF bomb Iranian militia in some desolate syrian village. Israeli are not crazy either, but they know Russians won’t do anything unless directly and openly attacked. Netanyahu had some weird connections with Russia, but the new government is different, probably more hostile. It’s quite possible they stage another provocation against Russians, so if Russia indeed send more systems to Syria it’s for their own safety, not for Syria.

Yeah, that was a short version…

Last edited 2 months ago by The Truth
The Objective

Thanks for your lengthy reply. All you have said centers around two points:
1. Russian anti-aircraft systems are effective only when operating in a layered defense network – at least in light of the repeated successful Israeli strikes
2. Every successful Israeli attack must have overwhelmed Russian air defenses or the Russians deliberately refused to engage Israeli aircraft (you said they had a deal not to).

Then what the hell is Russia doing in Syria? Is Putin already bogged down? Has Syria become a second Afghanistan already?

Russia came to fight the Syrian rebels and reinstate Bashar Al-Assad. All the ISIS nonsense is just a cover. Six years later, Russia is still trying to achieve this goal. If restoring Assad is Russia’s goals in Syria, then why allow attacks on the SAA? If all of the SAA is dead, Russia will have to do the ground-fighting and this will lead to more costs in lives.

I still think Russia resists the temptation to engage Israeli jets out of fear of the effectiveness of those systems. We are talking about billions of dollars here. In fact, such a glaring failure will hurt the entire Russian defense industry.

Besides, the Israelis always attack with only a handful of jets. Surely the S300 batteries deployed in Syria should be able to engage a dozen aircraft at once. I remember reading somewhere that the S300 can engage about 72 or so targets simultaneously. One dozen aircraft shouldn’t pose much of a challenge even for a singe battery of S300. I may be wrong though, so you correct me.

Anyone

The interesting thing is that Spice 1000 that was downed over Lehfed in Lebanon.
What makes it so interesting is the range that it was downed at.
For a relative “small” target to be downed at a range of about 80km from the targeted area do show advances in SyAADF capabilities.
No matter how one look at it it’s rather far into Libanon and that needs increased capabilities.
It may also send a signal to Israel that they are no longer safe while conducting attacks at those ranges.

frank g

it is unusual and weird. i read that the tor-m2 was used but that only has a short range maybe 15-35km, cannot be buk either range is 35-50km, irc. must of been s-200 at that that range, however no pics of other debris to indicate what it was shot down with. it must of been a much smaller missile but the range for such is much less 60 or 80km especially for small targets. unless hezB somehow took it out, the location/distance is wrong or it was defective.

Anyone

One should also take notice at the height an Spice 1000 should be at 80km from target.
S-200 couldn’t do that interception.
I am very interested in hearing how and with what it was done.

Jim Allen

Iranian missile defense systems have been deployed in Lebanon, and Syria.
Also Syria has two dozen MiG-29SMT,and Russian trained pilot’s that should complete training any time now.
Syrian Air Defense Force’s are proven to be some of the best in the world, and received the highest praise from MoD Shoigu for their work. I should think, given Russia’s patience has run out with Israel IAF aircraft will hit the ground shortly. These attacks are annoying while ineffective.
Apparently there’s still risk of US being dragged back into protecting Israel, which would escalate the conflict. Russia knows what it’s doing, and the trolls here know they’re trolls, and pitiful.

anon

When Syria shot down a kike-piloted F-16 the USA started rattling its sabers. Russia will not shoot at the kikes.

block

“Russia will not shoot at the kikes.”

Because they have their own strategy that you fail to understand. The Russian military command is nearing approximately 150000 extremists eliminated, operating within Syrian territory.

Does that sound like failure to you? They operate in various ways that may or may not include direct engagement with the zionists, americans, turks etc. This is why the SAA & their allies are regaining territory in Syria.

Jim Allen

Interesting, as Russia authorized attack’s against IAF aircraft months ago. They’re fair game, troll. Syria also got a strike on an IAF
F-35 with an S-200. Damaged, it managed to return to base. Israel insisted too much, it was a bird strike.

Peter Wallace

When the Russians said they would supply Syria with the S300 it was stated that they would be capable of recognising Israeli jets taking off from their bases and could be targeted from that stage. Since then they have not shot a single Israeli jet out of the sky and prevented continued attacks at will . At first the excuse was they Syrians were still being trained and would be ready soon. That was what , a couple of years ago . I have been waiting to hear an Israeli jet or two have been blown out of the sky and their attacks stopped. One now has to ask why that hasn’t happened. Russia supposedly told Israel to stop a year or so ago. Well that never happened and i don’t hold out much hope for this latest .. whatever it is.. As I said last year it appears Syria has been divided up into different sections controlled by Assad , Turkey , and the US with Israel doing as they please .. Nothing has happened to change my view of that. Talks of troop buildups for anticipated operations have never materialised into anything . No amount of wishing or dreaming things are different don’t make it so. Assad has a smaller Syria but that is better than no Syria at all. Israel is happy that Syria is no threat to them even though they would like more. They always want more . The US is happy they have an area to do as they please without prying eyes seeing what is happening and Turkey has expanded its border with its eyes on more. Compared to a year or two ago it is relatively peaceful in Syria with delineated borders between each group.

Muay Thai

i heard this hypothesis years ago & have kept it in the back of my mind, as a possibility. geo politics is complicated, strategic, and us peasants are always a step behind. but what you stated here, is materializing. i’ve always wondered why USA is allowed to remain in Syria, occupying a rather large swathe of land, which essentially, is an American no fly zone . this hypothesis is still not certain but things are falling into place.

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Jim Allen

Strangely, Russia, and Syria have no need to make excuses for anything. So neither have made any. You’re mistaken, and totally prejudiced troll opinion has no cash value. You’re parroting year’s old bullshit that no one believed then, it’s so worn out today it can’t raise a chuckle. It does identify you as the pitiful troll you are.

Peter Wallace

Troll ?? you wouldn’t know a Troll if you slept with one. That’s MY opinion and view and tuff shit if you don’t like it. I suck no man’s dick . Now go shove your ignorance up your arse where it belongs.. I don’t wwrite to get yours or anyone’s agreement.

Muay Thai

Peter’s post is objective, intelligent, mature, cogent, pertinent, sincere & his opinion. by definition, it’s the complete opposite of troll.

The Objective

Excellent analysis, Peter Wallace. However, you miss one thing: that the war in Syria is not about Syria. It’s about Iran and Hezbollah. America and Israel didn’t get as much as they wanted, but they got enough to finish the job on Hezbollah.
I have a question to ask which I think you have an answer to: Do you believe that Russia will try to save Hezbollah in the event of a civil war in Lebanon?
Hezbollah is pretty much hopeless now – at least regarding winning a civil war in Lebanon. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not wishing for a Lebanese civil war just to destroy Hezbollah. But unfortunately, that’s where all this is leading.
America now has a huge military presence on the Iraq-Syria border. Israel as the same presence on the Syria-Lebanon border. This is really bad for Hezbollah and Shiite militias around that area.
I was researching the current situation of the Lebanese military and economy. It’s really really bad.

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Peter Wallace

I have never really taken much interest in Hezbollah . I was in Rhodesia when some friends went to Lebanon during their civil war around 77/78 ? .They were offered big money to be snipers but I never heard from them again. I supported Israel in those days but a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since then. I shall remember your comment and watch with interest . My wife has a cousin that has been living in Beirut for a decade or more so I am aware of their current problems but not much more.

Abel

Hezbollah is the de facto government in Lebanon supplying social services, food and medicines from vast stores and Lebanese will soon turn to support them.
the Israeli Diaper Force got a hiding from 400 Hezbollah 16 years ago and is 10 times stronger today!

Cromwell

If not for Hezbollah the Israeli gangsters would be drinking beer on the Beirut Corniche as we speak,people need to remember that.

Arch Bungle

Air defense is an expensive waste of time.

Counterstrike on Tel Aviv. Keep striking until the little hats quieten down.

Richard D

You should go to Tel Aviv yourself and start up something to protect your dear friends in the region. Maybe you can leave your Grandma’s basement without her knowing for a few days. Would not want to make Grandma mad, she might take away your Fritos and Ruffles.

Arch Bungle

You’d better pray I never leave Grandma’s basement.

Because the day I do, I will make Tel Aviv a smoking hole in the ground.

TEP

The enhanced systems need to track each attacking plane back to it’s base and then destroy that base.
TEP.

Israeli Diaper Force

Russia has been passive against Zionist repeated attacks on Syria and that also puts Russian military and weapons in a very poor light and has emboldened the Zionist diaper force. Occupied Palestine is a narrow sliver of coastal land and the Zionist planes can be shot down even as they take off. It is time to saturate Syria with AD systems and also launch commensurate retaliation. Missile for missile.

Realpolitik

Russia should just LEAVE Syria, not worth of money and effort.

Too many factions, too many conflicts, too many interests, too many problems… and for what, some little base?
Syria was lost tens years ago. Israel, America, Turks will never allow peace, they never allow it to recover.

Focus on Belarus, Venezuela and Cuba.

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hmm

and leave syrians to israel and turkey?

Realpolitik

Israel, Turkey, Kurds… let them kill each other.

I am sorry about Syrians, but they should have defended their country better, instead they can’t even defend properly without Russian (and somewhat Iranian) support. Very incompetent army.

Now you’ll say I am hasbara or something, but let’s be objective (really objective, not like this troll): there is no strategic, economic or even military reason for Russia to stay in Syria any more.

It’s a noble cause, but a lost one.

The Objective

Now you call me a troll and claim to be objective in your opinions. Then you say the same thing that I’ve said since last year: That Syria is already a lost cause for Russia provided restoring Assad is the main aim. 119 Russian solider “not mercenaries” have died since the war started. This is official Russian reports in 2020.

ziad

bunch of bs by russia, you done this before but what good does any of that do when you dont allow syria to use them and you stay quiet when these attacks happen

PUTIN IS A FAG

Hopefully Syria gets some REAL anti air defense, not the shit S300 or Pantsir that gets destroyed in every war where its deployed.

Lone Ranger

You spelled Patriot and Iron done tho Shlomo faglet…
Chinese fireworks can overpower any Isisrael toy SAM 😂

Lone Ranger

Isisrael is a terrorist nation…
Supporting isis and al-cia-da…

Lone Ranger

Lil Shlomos are salty that Russia has the best air defense systems while their Patriot and gay iron dome cant even shoot down home made houthi missiles and Chinese fireworks lol.
Keep crying guys.
Isisrael is a failed state, that is destroying itself as it is written in the Bible.
You can’t do anything about it…

The Truth

Americans once tried to make SPAAG like soviet ZSU-23 or more modern Tunguska. Yet they failed so badly. M247 Sergeant York was probably the worst military vehicle in modern history, it was broken garbage beyond belief. Until this day they don’t really have comparative system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M247_Sergeant_York
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mVLgiY5Tig&ab_channel=Matsimus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TanFPsRaeto&ab_channel=Blacktail

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Fatimafucker

Oh boy, just wait until they get S300s.. I mean.. Until they become operational.. I mean, S400.. etc. etc.

Abel

Iran and Hezbollah can successfully intercept and destroy ANY Israeli military aircraft but the Israeli Diaper Force (IDF) uses civilian aircraft as human shields. Time is also not ripe for them to show their hand as they are not interested in winning battles but win the war of defense/resistance. We call it strategic patience. Israel crosses a red line and Palestine will be free from the river to the sea!

Lance Ripplinger

The Syrian military has at least one notch on their belt. The IDF doesn’t dare fly over Syrian airspace anymore. They know their jets will be shot down, as we have seen happen. I am guessing that Russia will send more BUK or Pansir systems, among others, to Syria?

block

Best military tech in the world is from Russia. The ziorats are delusional clowns. Their merkava trash were tin cans in Lebanon 2006.

https://www.rt.com/russia/530192-maks-su57-fighter-stunt/

bazzolo

It is typical of Sukhoi jets. Heck, they always have absurdly overpowered engines. The only US aircraft with the same concept. was the F-14. It did cost an arm and a leg in fuel, but it was capable of piercing an hurricane.

However even Sukhoi has started building low power aircraft, like the recent Checkmate.