Libyan National Army Shoots Down GNA Warplane Amid Further Advances South Of Tripoli

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NOTE: There is a typo in the video. The LNA shot down a L-39 Albatros jet, not “Il-39”.

Libyan National Army Shoots Down GNA Warplane Amid Further Advances South Of Tripoli

In the late hours of April 10, the Libyan National Army (LNA) announced that it had shot down an L-39 warplane of the Libyan Government of National Accord (GNA). According to the LNA media office, the warplane was shot down by the 166th Brigade, when it was flying over the outskirts of the capital Tripoli.

The warplane reportedly took off from Misrata airbase, east of Tripoli. This airbase is the headquarters of the GNA’s air force, which reportedly operates nine L-39 Albatros trainers / light attack warplanes among other aircraft. According to the available data, the L-39 was downed with an anti-aircraft gun, such as the ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft twin-barreled autocannon, which is currently actively employed by both sides of the conflict.

Last week, when GNA jets started carrying out strikes on advancing LNA units, the LNA declared a no-fly zone over the western part of the country. Nonetheless, the April 10 incident became the first example of a real action against GNA air power undertaken by LNA forces. The LNA is known to be operating at least one Soviet-made 2K12 Kub medium-range air-defense system, as well as a variety of man-portable air-defense systems (MANPADs). This is far from being enough to impose a real no-fly zone across the region, but LNA units equipped with anti-aircraft gun and MANPADs would pose a significant threat to the small and largely outdated GNA air power.

At the same time, the LNA continued its advance on Tripoli. Its forces captured the bases of the 42nd Battalion and the 4th Brigade south of the city. The first base is located near the town of Ain Zara. The second is near the town of Aziziya. According to reports, the LNA destroyed several GNA vehicles and captured loads of weapons and ammunition on the scene. LNA units also re-entered the area of Tripoli International Airport where intense fighting is now ongoing. At least one GNA airstrike on LNA forces was reported in the town of Qasr bin Ghashir.

While the LNA has not achieved a rapid and decisive victory over pro-GNA forces in Tripoli, the developments of the last few days have demonstrated that a coalition of pro-GNA militias is incapable of pushing LNA forces back from the city along the entire frontline. In the medium term, this means that the LNA has every chance of isolating the capital from the rest of the pro-GNA areas. This development would be a significant blow to the defenders of Tripoli, would prepare the way for further offensive operations and would strengthen the negotiating position of the LNA leadership.

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  • El Mashi

    Mess made in the United States.

  • Vince Dhimos

    Here’s a Russian take on the Haftar’s army vs the US-appointed government:
    http://www.newsilkstrategies.com/news–analysis/it-was-never-like-this-under-gadaffi

    • S Melanson

      I read the story and is quite good except the very end. Gaddafi was brutal and brought the civil war upon himself? Really…

      I would like the Russian take on Yemen in light of arms sales that include advanced systems such as thermobaric weaponry being supplied by Russia to KSA. The weaponry would certainly be useful against the Houthis. Libya is a humanitarian disaster, that is not in doubt. So to is Yemen, but on a much larger scale than Libya.

      Russia supports Haftar and if the reasons are humanitarian, then Yemen presents a problem of double standards in Russian foreign policy.

      • Hisham Saber

        Yes, I have first hand experience on the Gaddafi regime’s brutality. It was a murderous regime, that ruled with an iron fist for 42 long miserable years. That’s why the Libyan people came out against him en mass in 2011.

        Stupid Gaddafi disbanded the Libyan National Army after a failed coup attempt on him by officers of the LNA in 1993. Instead, Gaddafi opted for African mercenaries of all stripes, creeds and colors as his protection force, to protect him from his own people, who he knew hated him.

        Yes, there was free adult university education, and free medical care, but it was subpar, to say the least. He built a multi-billion dollar man-made river to bring fresh water from desert aquifiers to the seaboard, but these enormous pipes soon developed cracks and some places actually caved in. Billions and multi-billions of Libya’s, and Libyan people’s money given away to African leaders and states, while Libyans suffered through bitter sanctions imposed on Libya because of Gaddafi’s megalomania. Gaddafi got Libya into conflicts with its neighbors, like Egypt, who would have utterly steamrolled right through Libya, or poor hapless Tunis. He attacked and took over one of the poorest countries in the world, Chad, not once, but twice. Second time around the Libyan army met with Chads military organized and led by U.S. and French military equipment and advisors, and turned into a rout for Libyan troops in Chad. Hundreds of Libyan troops and Haftar himself were taken prisoner, and languished in Chadian prisons until the U.S. took them in and settled them in the U.S.

        Today, after 42 years of Gaddafi’s failed rule, Libya lacks adequate infrastructure to speak of. Nothing modern, nothing was built. Except for one two lane highway that crosses through Tripoli, the country was left to rot, while the Gaddafi clan massed around 350 billion dollars that is still held up in international banks. Goldman Sach’s itself alone owes Libya 35 billion, which it wont pay back, so Libya will have to sue in international Court of Arbitration to get back. Numerous African countries are not going to hand over the many accounts holding billions. They outright said no. Forget it.

        So its no wonder why Gaddafi’s regime fell so rapidly. He had a mercenary army of hard knock Africans that ordinary Libyans detested , all encompassing neglect of peoples needs, a cult of personality that Libyans got sick and tired of, and the all encompassing, corruption that was rampant.

        Good riddance. Libya will rise again. Only this time it will have China and Russia as friends, not the backstabbing U.S. and Europeans.

        • S Melanson

          You have misunderstood the intent behind what I said, which is partly my fault. I have heard this line ad nauseum to justify removal of ‘brutal dictators’ from power. Dictators are friends and allies when they behave like Saddam Hussein of Iraq until 1991 when he displeased the US. Eventually, Saddam was killed and good riddance as he was a brutal dictator. Yes he was brutal when an ally of US and he was brutal as an enemy of the US. So the question of whether he was a brutal dictator is the wrong question although it is definitely debatable depending on how you frame the question – most accept he was a dictator but many consider him as the best of the worst and many praise him outright such as women who enjoyed near equality with men under Saddam’s secular rule – women commented as long as they did not oppose the regime they were left alone generally and after Saddam, see themselves made second class under a patriarchal tyranny. Add to this the aftermath of US benevolence in toppling Saddam.

          Iraq was bombed to the point that basic infrastructure left in ruins and is still not rebuilt with rolling blackouts, inadequate potable water, sanitation healthcare etc… should Iraqi’s be appreciative of US intervention? Should Syrians? Libyans? You may say good riddance, but Gaddaffi’s murder, which was a grotesque war crime, had nothing to do with his being a dictator, it was his plan to trade in a pan-African currency backed by gold which threatens the dominance of US$ as World reserve currency. Meanwhile, the US is allied with KSA and that must mean MbS is a nice dictator. Right. Even if the dictator was horrible, consider what conditions follow the intervention which are worse, not better yet we sit back and convince ourselves this outcome is best for the people.

          Putting aside the righteous BS to justify intervention, it is the people that have to live with the aftermath and I doubt many are saying good riddance. Look at pictures of Raqqa Syria and tell me people want that kind of ‘liberation’.

          And as for stabbing in the back, Russia abstained instead of using its veto to block a security council resolution that paved the way for intervention in Libya to bring down Gaddafi. That was Medvedev when he was President and he is currently Prime Minister so Russia has to take ownership of a very regrettable episode in Russian Diplomacy. I am generally supportive of Russia but am concerned about an increasingly inconsistent/contradictory foreign policy

          You have made many good posts but this one I strongly disagree

          • Hisham Saber

            Look my friend, I have lived in Libya for years. My very family are from there. I was born in the U.S.

            42 long , miserable years of Gaddafi’s brutal reign was more than enough. Who rules for that long anyways. And in Libya, Gaddafi had a cult of personality. It was all about him. One man rule. He executed opponents of his regime inside Libya, far too many actually, and had opponents liquidated in various foreign capitals and countries.

            My dad was a well placed figure in the regime, and was at one time an Ambassador of Libya to a western European country. He was also a very well educated man with PhD’s from U.S. universities. He’s written books on Libya. But he saw, and knew of the wholesale corruption with the regime, and how the regime were sending abroad hitmen with lists of Libyan opposition figures to be gunned down in Madrid, London, Rome, etc, and we personally knew of one Libyan in the U.S. who survived being gunned down by two Libyan agents, that paid a Afro-American man to do the shooting. The man, my fathers friend, survived but lost an eye. Many, many more didn’t survive the campaign of terror unleashed by Gaddafi.

            Gaddafi’s henchmen would go to Tripoli University every year on April 7, a very ominous day, and attendance by every student was absolutely necessary, no excuses. If you didn’t show up, you were banned from any learning and thrown in jail, if your lucky enough to live through it. Anyways, every April 7th, Gaddafi’s henchmen would go to Libya’s highest learning center, and randomly select 10 students. Some were on a specific list, most random though. They would be taken to the main center of the university, a giant field, and all the students would be forced to watch as the 10 selected students were hung till death. With declarations that they were counter-revolutionaries and subversive agents. Everyone knew it was all a lie. It was Gaddafi’s way of terrorizing the Libyan people.

            Often, right in the middle of routine nightly television programming, usually about him and how great he was, the would break off and announce a ‘ development ‘ of top priority. Then they would show gallows and one after another Libyan would be marched onto the stage, all fully televised to the entire nation, and a statement about some kind of nefarious plot or another, then the poor innocent man would be hung by the neck. Another way to terrify the populace. And all the televised interrogations of supposed ‘ troublemakers ‘ on T.V. night and day on all Libya’s channels, with the poor victims showing great distress and obvious signs of torture, just about every other day.

            My dad soon after he resigned ( at first the regime wouldn’t let him, they actually wanted to make him a full fledged Minister, possibly Prime Minister) from his Ambassadorship, we as a family went to the U.S. , again, where my dad formally joined the largest Libyan opposition group at the time, The National Front for the Salvation of Libya.

            Well, to make a long story short, we eventually returned to Gaddafi’s Libya, but no one in the regime knew about his involvement with the NFSL. The long running Minister of Intelligence was a great friend of my dads and he did not know.

            Then in 1990, the NFSL and elements among the Libyan National Military, the high ranking officer corp. decided that it was high time to change leadership in Libya, to someone sane,not bloody, or corrupt, that stood for Libya and Libyans first and foremost.

            In the 80’s , Gaddafi tried to start a war with Egypt and Tunisia, over trivial things. And he did succeed in attacking and taking over the poorest country probably in the world, Chad. He had the President of Chad ousted, placed a compliant Chadian regime in charge, that wouldn’t contest Libya’s border with Chad, which was rich in uranium and other minerals. The Libyan military left Chad victors. Gaddafi was high with grandiosity. He saw himself as a Caesar. The festivities didn’t last long, due to Chadian foot-dragging and not adhering to agreements. So off went the Libyan military again to Chad. A near total draft was installed and whole high schools and government agencies, the universities were emptied out of young men, and old, to be carted off to the new war in Chad, that incidentally wasn’t going as smoothly as the first bid. Libyans were dying in Chad now, and more and more people were carted off to the front.

            Gen. Haftar, the man in charge of this weeks attack to liberate Tripoli was the top ranking Gen. of all Libyan forces in Chad in the second war. But you see, this time the Chadians has been weaponized by France and the U.S. with high tech weapons and military advisors, who had satellite imagery of Libyan military movements in the war theatre. Then it came, like a sandstorm from hell, an all-out attack on the Libyan militaries largest base in Chad-Libya border, called Wadi Doum( more like Doom) , a great battle ensued but the Libyan High Command didn’t expect the voracity, intensity and organization of the attacking Chadian forces. The base was overrun, much equipment seized, lost ( and the Soviet’s were very upset with Gaddafi about losing intact Mig Hind- 24 Attack Helicopters and the brand new fully modernized T-72’s with new gadgets, modern field artillery units all left behind by fleeing elements of the Libyan military). One of my uncles, he’s passed away recently, was one of the very last personnel to safely make it out of the besieged base, as a fleeing military truck slowed down just enough for him to jump in the back. Gen. Haftar, his staff, and hundreds of Libyan military troops were taken prisoner. They lived in brutal conditions in the desert prison camp in Chad, until the U.S. government brought them over to the U.S. and settled them here. Really good guys too, as in my travels across the U.S., I have come across many of these POW’s. The idea that the U.S. government had was that they would take these POW’s in, train them, and build a sort of army to be sent to oust the Gaddafi regime, which at that time was a mortal enemy of the Reagan Administration.

            Anyways, fast forward to 1993, in Libya ( and Libyans abroad) Senior High ranking officers in the Libyan military, and various intellectuals and officials , gave the green light for a coup to oust the decayed regime and do away with Gaddafi himself. Libyas most courageous, noble and honorable answered the call to depose the lunatic who had taken the entire country for himself and his bastard sons, all while Libyans lived in miserable conditions as NO work whatsoever was ever done to enhance the quality of life of ordinary Libyan’s for the last 42 long years. Infrastructure was in serious decay, and collapsed in many parts of the country. Libya’s wealth went to a cadre of corrupt self-serving hanger-ons and opportunists.

            The October of 1993 , Libya’s ballistic missile commander, who was part of the plot , a few Gen. out of Misrata mobilized for the capital, Tripoli, and several Gen.’s inside Tripoli, who had bases, garrisons mobilized as well. The regime had been tipped off ( supposedly by the CIA, Mi6 ) about the coup and soon there was clashes all over Tripoli. Gaddafi’s compound got some direct hits with ballistic missiles. Gaddafi’s regime scrambled the entire air force which caused major problems for the coup. And also, Gaddafi didn’t trust Libyans, in fact he despised them, and often told them so on national T.V., had a large mercenary army of heavily equipped sub-Saharan Africans that joined the fray. Long story short. The coup failed, many good men lost their lives to free Libya of this tyrant. Libyan military intelligence first caught my uncle on the Egyptian – Libyan border and placed him under arrest at machine gun point, as he was one of the main architects of the failed coup. Through intense torture, he named my father as another leader. The very next day, plain clothed internal security service agents came and asked my little brother for my dad, to go a fetch him. My dad knew this moment was coming and managed to get a couple of laptop computers with logistical info of the coup to a safe location. Due to the fact of my dad being the well respected man he is in Libya, they were very cordial and polite. There were four of them. One driver, another got in the front passenger seat, another got in the rear of the car, my dad was placed in the middle, and finally the last guy on my dads other side. The car nonchalantly drove away and that when one of the guys in the back put a black hood over my dads head. Gaddafi was really pissed off by this coup, it rattled his fraying nerves, particularly because of the amount, and quality of people involved. And it all most succeeded. He began his already well worn decent into paranoia. The Libyan National Army was immediately disbanded, which proved fatal for him in 2011, when he needed them most.

            For 7.5 years, my dad languished incognito in a dungeon in Tripoli, on the compound where the infamous Abu-Saleem prison is located there. He was initially interrogated for months, but was never tortured, due to very well placed individuals in the regime who saw to that. My uncle was extensively tortured. They used to torture him to the point of near death, and send him to a hospital emergency room to be revived. And rinse and repeat. Soon there were sham trails at a military tribunal, where my uncle and 5 others got handed down the death sentence, curiously, and by God’s will, my dad was sentenced to 10 years only, while a bunch of life terms were handed down across the board. But like I said, the leading figures of the regime really liked my dad and many were taught by him at university, so they had deep respect for him and somehow intervened on his behalf for a light sentence.

            In 1997, a riot broke out at the Abu-Saleem Prison and prisoners were complaining about living conditions etc. They managed to overtake two guards, and soon 1200 prisoners were effectively in charge of the prison. Gaddafi heard of this and sent his henchmen to sort it out, unconditionally. There was much bickering and the henchmen/authorities decided that they were going to let all the prisoners out into the yard, while final agreements were hashed out. So there were about 1130 prisoners in the yard, with some of the cells not being able to be opened up due to malfunctioning locks. My dad was in one of these stubborn lock cells.

            Soon , Gaddafi asked for a quick briefing at his palace about the situation at Abu-Saleem. When his henchmen informed him that the prisoners want this and possibly that, he went into a furious rage and sent his own personal battalions of sub-Saharan African mercs armed to the teeth to Abu-Saleem. They quickly got on the roofs of the adjacent building surrounding the yard with the 1130 prisoners. Once they were all in position, the henchmen were quietly told to get out of there, and that when the Abu-Saleem massacre started, and continued for a whole day. The African mercs. started shooting ferociously and indiscriminately into the crowd of 1130 prisoners, many political prisoners, or prisoners of conscience. They also lobbed grenades below and kept up the firing for hours, as the injured and near dying would move here and there. The mercenaries eventually got off the rooftops, and came onto the grounds themselves and started another orgy of killing and shooting randomly and wildly, all while lobbing grenades for good measure. All 1130 were martyred that black day in Libyas history under Gaddafis tyranny.

            In 2001, the Libyan regimes second in command, Abdullah Al-Senussi, came to Abu-Saleem prison at two o’clock in the morning and held a secret meeting with my dad ( the subject of this meeting my dad still refuses to disclose even today)-( Abdullah Al-Senussi is currently sentenced to death by the Misrata militias and being held in Tripoli, he had fled to Mauritania, but the Mauritanian government handed him over to Libyan authorities after Gaddafis fall and killing) . Shortly after the mysterious meeting, my dad was released, which was also one day after my grandmother, my dad’s mother passed away. So it went from a funeral to great jubilation, women from all over neighborhoods were singing and doing that funny noise Arab women do with their tongues, that gives off a squeal. Pretty soon hundreds of people were gravitating to my (deceased) grandfathers house, where he was dropped off by internal security agents, and there was much joy and festivities. You have to understand, my dads case is an anomaly. In any other situation he would have been executed like one of my uncles and the others, or given a life sentence. Or even herded out to the yard and massacred like the other 1130 prisoners. By by the grace of God almighty, and well , well placed inner circle regime members who vouched for my dad to be released and somehow convinced Gaddafi of it, is something to behold. The head of Libyan intelligence, who has Gaddafi’s full trust and loyalty, Mr. Musa Kusa ( who escaped to Tunisia during the 2011 rebellion and was then whisked off to London aboard a private military British jet where he was de-briefed, given all is assets, that were frozen, and then has moved on to Qatar where he remains today. No doubt a very, very rich man, who made off with hundreds of millions of dollars and Euro’s. This man was by and large instrumental in my dad not being tortured, and he personally handed Gaddafi my dads file to be signed so he could be released. And for that I thank him, even if he is a wanted man in Libya, and many, many Libyans hate him. He was the silent, yet lethal type, of all of Gaddafi’s inner circle. Shrewd and the most calculating of them all. And after all those years of his status as Libya’s Head of Intelligence, in the end, he turned out to be a double agent working for Britain’s Mi6.

            Indecently the Abu-Saleem massacre was one of the sparks that ignited the rebellion to Gaddafi’s rule in 2011. Most of those 1130 dead , executed prisoners were from Benghazi, not Tripoli. And they were furious with the regime. Benghazi has always been a sore spot for Gaddafi, and it was the place that it all started. Benghazi , Libya’s second largest city had been neglected on purpose by Gaddafi for 42 years. He hated them, and they hated him.

            Visiting Libya, one would feel like he entered a time capsule, where time never moved, but stayed still for 42 years due to Gaddafi’s negligence , incompetence and ignorance. He encouraged corruption, played members of his inner circle upon one another, he was a notorious pedophile of very young little Libyan girls and boys. And this is all well documented and true. Thousands of Libyans disappeared from their homes at night by Gaddafi’s henchmen, never to be heard from again, and if you ask , you too were disappeared.

            Libyas oil wealth was all squandered away on useless armaments, outright corruption, and blatant theft by the Gadhafi tribe. One of his cousins, who made it out, is a billionaire living in Egypt. At the time of the start of the rebellion of 2011, the Gaddafi family had bank accounts all over the world estimated at 350 billion dollars and Euros. Most of that is lost forever. Goldman Sachs owes Libya 35 billion which they don’t want to pay back, along with just about every African country on the African continent that received multi-billion dollar grants, not loans, but outright money that belongs to the Libyan people and Libya. To hell with the supposed African dinar. China is already on its way to do that. china now owns most of Africa. Libya , at the time of 2011, had an estimated 140 tones of gold. Not nearly enough for a currency backing for the whole of Africa. Btw, that gold went missing days after Tripoli was liberated.

            Hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars given away, wasted away on frivolous adventures, supporting every Jack, Tim and Harry with a cause all over the world, all the while when it rains, Tripoli, and most of Libyan cities flood out and become impassable due to the deteriorated condition of infrastructure. The free health care is a farce, and very inadequate, the free education is not much when there are no jobs to be had.

            With 42 years of good management, Libya’s vast oil and natural gas expenditures could have given the Libyan people the highest standard of living in the world. And Tripoli and Benghazi could have made Dubai look like a tent city in comparison. Not the dilapidated wrecks they are now.

            And the Great Man Made River Project, which in itself sucked up hundreds of billions is already cracking in some places, and in need of repairs. Stupidity of Gaddafi right there for you. When 50 billion could have built desalination sea water plants for all of Libya’s needs for the significant future. I went to Aruba last may, and their water is from a desalination plant and it is delicious.

            Gaddafi? Good riddance. Libya will calm down here in the near future, and will gravitate towards the China-Russian axis where its natural place needs to be.

            Libyans do not trust the French, British and U.S. anymore, after breaking up the already broken place and abandoning it to whither and die a slow death.

            Cheers my man. Hope I didn’t bore you.

          • S Melanson

            You did not bore me at all. I suggest you publish on southfront and invite commentary. It does not matter whether you are right or wrong in part or in whole, your discussion will provoke debate and that is a good thing.

            I do want to point out an issue with your two posts and that is internal contradiction. Your latest reply states:

            “NO work whatsoever was ever done to enhance the quality of life of ordinary Libyan’s for the last 42 long years. Infrastructure was in serious decay, and collapsed in many parts of the country. Libya’s wealth went to a cadre of corrupt self-serving hanger-ons and opportunists”

            From your previous reply:

            “Yes, there was free adult university education, and free medical care, but it was subpar, to say the least. He built a multi-billion dollar man-made river to bring fresh water from desert aquifiers to the seaboard, but these enormous pipes soon developed cracks and some places actually caved in.”

            Poor and subpar is still work and contradicts your statement ‘NO work whatsoever'(your emphasis). There is then the question of subpar and I link to a recent article that examines dimensions of quality of life and is well documented – cites credible sources such as the World Health Organization, UNESCO, World Bank, Russia Today etc…

            If accomplishments under Gaddafi were subpar, against what exactly are you comparing?

            Michel Chossudovsky, November 14, 2018
            https://www.globalresearch.ca/destroying-a-country-s-standard-of-living-what-libya-had-achieved-what-has-been-destroyed/26686

            Libya’s Development Achievements

            Whatever one’s views regarding Moamar Gadaffi, the post-colonial Libyan government played a key role in eliminating poverty and developing the country’s health and educational infrastructure. According to Italian Journalist Yvonne de Vito,

            “Differently from other countries that went through a revolution – Libya is considered to be the Switzerland of the African continent and is very rich and schools are free for the people. Hospitals are free for the people. And the conditions for women are much better than in other Arab countries.” (Russia Today, August 25, 2011)

            These developments are in sharp contrast to what most Third World countries were able to “achieve” under Western style “democracy” and “governance” in the context of a standard IMF-World Bank Structural Adjustment program (SAP).

            Public Health Care

            Public Health Care in Libya prior to NATO’s “Humanitarian Intervention” was the best in Africa.

            “Health care is [was] available to all citizens free of charge by the public sector. The country boasts the highest literacy and educational enrolment rates in North Africa. The Government is [was] substantially increasing the development budget for health services…. (WHO Libya Country Brief )

            Confirmed by the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), undernourishment was less than 5 %, with a daily per capita calorie intake of 3144 calories. (FAO caloric intake figures indicate availability rather than consumption).

            The Libyan Arab Jamahiriya provided to its citizens what is denied to many Americans: Free public health care, free education, as confirmed by WHO and UNESCO data.

            According to the World Health Organization (WHO): Life expectancy at birth was 72.3 years (2009), among the highest in the developing World.

            Under 5 mortality rate per 1000 live births declined from 71 in 1991 to 14 in 2009
            (http://www.who.int/countryfocus/cooperation_strategy/ccsbrief_lby_en.pdf)

          • Vince Dhimos

            Thanks.

          • RichardD

            It goes far beyond Chossudovsky, there are several others with similar views. How much truth there is to Saber’s long post I don’t know. But from my debate on getting the Israel problem corrected with him, I question it. And as you point out, it’s extensively contradicted by other sources.

          • S Melanson

            I suggested Saber publish given he states his views with such authority but provides little evidence despite plentiful evidence to contradict what he says. Saber has suddenly gone quiet in the face of my suggestion despite such passionate prose in response to my prior comments. The hallmark of a disinformation agent.

          • RichardD

            I agree.

          • Hisham Saber

            Disinformation agent? Really? Here I am trying to educated you on the real truth, and that’s what I get called. Well, thank you very much.

            Instead of reading and taking the word of socialists like Mr. C, and ridiculous agencies like UNESCO, try talking to real Libyans. Everyday Libyans who know the truth as being other than what is sprouted by your favorite authors supposedly on the subject. Most if not all having never set foot in Libya.

            Get to know real Libyans. and ask them what they thought about Gaddafi’s Libya. Go ahead, if your brave enough to face your misguidedness and you being so naïveAsk youself, if I am so wrong, and Gaddafi’s Libya was the ‘ Switzerland ‘ of Africa, why did his regime collapse so quickly? Why did practically all Libyans come out and fight his loyalists and squash them so quickly? Why were we seeing hundreds of thousands of Libyans cheering NATO in Benghazi’s main square when they destroyed his death machines marching on that city to effectively destroy it. ? Didn’t Gaddafi say ‘ we are coming for you, and we will go from street to street, house to house, room to room looking for you’, addressing Libyans protesting the regime. The Libyan military columns headed to Benghazi was no joke, with self-propelled howitzers/155mm, Grad Rocket launchers, many, many T-72’s, 14.5 mm quad cannon AAA guns to be used on humans , not aircraft, as they were aimed level( a common thing in the Middle East). Thousands and thousands of sub-Saharan African mercenaries consisted of this ill fated army headed to Benghazi, because Libyans would never go along with genocide of mostly unarmed civilians.

            But this evil force was intercepted just in the nick of time by the U.S. and France and blasted to smithereens. Benghazi was safe, Gaddafi didn’t get his rivers of blood. He tried the exact same thing in Misrata, where he sent his besAt divisions, including the 32nd armored division, consisting of 90% African sub-Saharan mercs. and the Libyan people rose up and fought him hard there. Decimating his killer army . It is said Misrata is where Gaddafi got his back broken.

            And since you and that cynic RichardD seem to know it all about Libya from your illustrious know -it-all-about -Gaddafi’s-great-Libya, why did most of his regime figures flee like cockroaches as soon as the first NATO bombs started falling?

            That didn’t happen in Syria, when 80% of the country was occupied by terrorists, moving ever so closer to the capital Damascus in 2015. Because Bashar is not Gaddafi. Bashar is actually loved by a vast majority of the Syrian people.

            Disinformation agent. Ha.

          • S Melanson

            I said hallmark of a disinformation agent is sudden silence in the face of a documented counter-argument. Now you have responded and this nullifies my reasoning to suspect you to be a disinformation agent.

            I will think on your arguments but ask if there are sources you can suggest to me that express your point of view. I do not claim to know it all and pointed out a documentary record that is contradictory to what you say and so I am talking about what others say and why should I believe you over them – a fair question.

          • Joe Kerr

            What’s your take on Lockerbie? Seems like a can of worms inside another can of worms with only one sure thing- the only person ever convicted was innocent. As far as corruption is concerned, 9-11 and its aftermath would be hard to beat.

          • Hisham Saber

            Hi. My take on the Lockerbie tragedy is that Libya was framed. The CIA/MOSSAD most likely were the culprits to put Libya under international sanctions and debilitate the country, which was exactly what happened.

            But Gaddafi non the less should have not antagonized Reagan. He should have kept his mouth shut and also not arm the IRA for example, and finance them and just about every terrorist/freedom fighting organization in the world.

            Gaddafi had the agents of every anti-imperialist group in the world coming and going to and from Libya. This did not sit well with the CIA,Mi6and Mossad. So they found a way to clip Gaddafi’s wings, through the Lockerbie event.

            I suspect mostly it was the Mossad, because who else would bomb civilian airliners and blow up skyscrapers but for the international Jews. Remember, Gaddafi was bankrolling a lot of Palestinian groups too.

            And there is no corruption in the world that even comes close to the U.S./Israel. They wrote the book on it. And Jews by nature are the most corrupt people on planet Earth. Always have been. They have no morals, compassion, empathy, principals etc to speak of. They are a most nefarious people. And they control, and have thoroughly subverted the U.S. government, finance, education and news/entertainment.

            Here is a what a famous Roman statesman said about the Jews of Rome, who even back then tried their hardest to subvert Rome , but failed when Caesar, who emancipated them was killed by his own Senate because of this :

            “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through…all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

            For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”

            – Marcus Tullius Cicero

          • Hisham Saber

            Why don’t you read my response to your buddy, S Melanson. below. Wake up. Think critically and don’t just buy any bullshit you read on the internet.

          • Hisham Saber

            I suppdoctorse Mr. Chossudovsky hasn’t been to Libya, nor tried to receive a quality medical care there.

            Listen man, its all bogus news, trust me. I lived there. Most, if all of Libya’s decent, good medical doctors left the country and were practicing in Canada, where Mr. Chossudovsky lives, Europe and the U.S. A Libyan Dr. working in Libya made as much as a janitor at the hospital. It was part of the system. Dr. ‘s were shown no respect at all. Frequently, if a patient was brought into the ER(Emergency Room) and was unable to be saved, the Dr.’s were usually assaulted. Some even shot. Tribal shit man. And coupled with ignorance.

            My little sister is a medical doctor, and she has witnessed this first hand many times.

            No one trusted medical care to Libyan doctors or dilapidated hospitals(corruption again). Everyone, and I mean everyone who had any amount of money went to Europe especially, for even the smallest of medical procedures and care. The ones who didn’t have much went to Tunis or Egypt. The ones that had nothing, went to the local hospitals in Libya where the cleaning ladies had more authorities than the Dr.’s or administrators. I kid you not.

            Going for treatment at a Libyan clinic or hospital was an agonizing venture, of zoo-like atmosphere, chaos, and sometimes never being seen, because it mattered on who you knew who worked at particular clinic or hospital than your immediate condition , in severity for example. You basically had to bribe your way through the morass if you were to be seen. And it started with the guards at the front doors, the cleaning ladies(janitors) all the way up through the ladder. Otherwise your chances of getting medical care in Orion’s Belt were much greater.

            Hospitals were lacking in modern equipment, and or equipment broken down. Why? Because when the state would allocate monies for the health dept., the higher-up’s would simply go overseas to supposedly purchase said equipment, but never would. Instead the top officials of the day would split the proceeds and launder the money in foreign accounts and come right back to Libya empty handed. Where there any repercussions? Of course not. Corruption was rampant and they simply paid a little to get themselves off. Then they would be replaced by another set of top health dept. officials, who would do the same thing. And on and on it went.

            These types of shenanigans went on at every ministry in Libya, year after year.
            My dad was a moral, noble, honest God-fearing, intellectual man who was humble, otherwise I would be a very, very rich man. But he wasn’t. And the regime put millions of dollars at my fathers disposal, and Im talking many millions. But he never took one dollars/Euro corruptly. After my dad resigned from his Ambassadorship post and pretty much left the Foreign Ministry altogether, the man who replaced him was a typical regime kiss ass henchmen who was undiplomatic, not sophisticated at all, but was in fact very corrupt. He looted millions from the

        • Vince Dhimos

          Thanks. This explains why Haftar turned against Gadaffi. I had been wondering. Could I share your story with my readers at http://www.newsilkstrategies.com?

          • Hisham Saber

            Yes you may.

            Btw, when Hafter was taken prisoner. Gaddafi came out on national Libyan T.V. and ridiculed him. He said basically ” Hafter, who’s this Haftar? Is he some soccer player or something?”. And denied that Libya suffered a military disaster in Chad with hundreds of POW’s, and many Gen. ‘s being taken prisoner, not to mention all the equipment lost and the opening up of Libya’s southern border to Chadian attacks which quickly followed.

          • RichardD

            Unlike Libya, Syria has Russian bases and hasn’t been subjected to 5% of what NATO air and sea power hit Libya with.

            From Africa, and there are many more like this:

            “During Muammar Gaddafi’s 42-year rule, Libya has made great strides socially and economically thanks to its vast oil income, but tribes and clans continue to be part of the demographic landscape.

            Women in Libya are free to work and to dress as they like, subject to family constraints. Life expectancy is in the seventies. And per capita income – while not as high as could be expected given Libya’s oil wealth and relatively small population of 6.5m – is estimated at $12,000 (£9,000), according to the World Bank.

            Illiteracy has been almost wiped out, as has homelessness – a chronic problem in the pre-Gaddafi era, where corrugated iron shacks dotted many urban centres around the country. – Libya crisis: what role do tribal loyalties play? BBC Monitoring, 21st February, 2011

            Compare Libya’s country profile with any other in sub-Saharan Africa and you’ll see that this guy, unlike too many of the crap leaders the continent has endured in the last few decades, didn’t just say “fuck you” to his people.

            Compare Libya’s GDP per capita ($12K+) with countries like Nigeria ($1K+) or Botswana, probably the most stable “democracy” in Africa at $6K+. Democracy is not always the solution; sometimes it’s nothing more than a money-wasting farce.

            Gaddafi was a dictator, he supported many questionable cause and held on to power for too long, and it is best that he goes now, but while we celebrate his removal let’s not completely erase our memories of what else he did, or forget why many of us were also, from time to time, rather proud of him, frustrating as he may have been.”

            – How bad was Gaddafi? –

            https://thisisafrica.me/how-bad-was-gaddafi/

      • Vince Dhimos

        Russia does not entertain moral considerations in its weapons sales. And if you think about it, every country is treated equally and so the victim can buy one too. I am not justifying, just explaining.
        Russia’s — and China’s — main goal right now is de-dollarization and that is why both countries are courting MBS. Saudi is very close to siding with Russia and China and throwing the US under the bus. If they flip, world politics is thrown on its head and everyone can breathe more easily.
        The Russian language news is carrying some interesting stories not well known in the West:
        http://www.newsilkstrategies.com/economics-and-finance/the-petrodollar-was-never-free-money-washington-is-paying-dearly-for-it
        http://www.newsilkstrategies.com/international-relations/uh-on-saudis-side-with-putin-against-us-sanctions

        • S Melanson

          Are you seriously telling me that Russia would sell advanced weaponry to the Houthis should the Houthis seek to acquire advanced Russian weapon systems while at the same time trying to pull KSA away from the US orbit??!!??

          Even if Russia was not courting KSA, the Coalition have imposed a blockade and are hysterical about alleged Iranian weapons shipments to the Houthis. How do you think KSA will react? No crystal ball needed or further comment.

          I have read commentary by you that shows insightful and intelligent discussion and your observation regarding Russian and chinese goals are I think on point and well explained. However, there is a cost when you court your allies primary enemies.

          • Vince Dhimos

            Good points. Yes, if I were in charge of Russia I would not do some of the things Putin does. BUT I do expect him to win. He is smarter than I am.

          • S Melanson

            We are all smart in our own way…

      • Vince Dhimos

        The reasons for Russian weapons sales are never humanitarian. They are in it for the money. But in the case of KSA, they are intent on pulling Saudi from the Western orbit. They will do anything to de-dollarize world trade and undermine the USD. If they sold to the Houthis, it would probably be thru a middle man like Iran or Syria,

    • RichardD

      The lesson from places like Russia and Ukraine is that 90% dejudification isn’t enough. It needs to be extinction grade.

      The site that you’re collaborating with is owned by Vladimir Olegovich Potanin, a vermin Jew collaborator if ever there was one:

      “On that fall evening in Sparrow Hills, the attendees – Berezovsky, Friedman, Gusinsky, Khodorkovsky and Smolensky – collectively decided that masking their Jewish identities would be the best option. A non-Jewish oligarch, Vladimir Potanin, was chosen to be their public liaison to government. Berezovsky was soon seen wearing a cross and attending Russian Orthodox churches. Still, no matter how hard they tried to distance themselves from Judaism, until very recently a glance at their passports would have given them away.”

      – The Russians Called Them ‘The Oligarch Yids’ –

      https://www.haaretz.com/life/books/1.5111288

      • Vince Dhimos

        If you are referring to http://www.newsilkstrategies.com, I OWN the site and I am not Jewish nor do I have any other collaborators. I do my own writing and my own posting and pay my own damn bills, thank you!

        • RichardD

          Lenta is owned by Potanin, an infamous Jew collaborator.

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